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  The Governing Body - their own worst enemy!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been giving some thought recently to what's going on in the minds of the individual governing body members, and what makes them tick.

  the process of listening to their talks for my "getting to know you" youtube video series, though draining, has been very enlightening.

  i now feel i know some of their individual personalities a little better than i did previously.. then there has been the tumultuous events of 2012. it's been interesting to note the way the governing body has responded to some of these issues, and how in most cases their responses have been woefully inadequate or even counter-productive as regards their long-term interests.. for example:.

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  raymond frantz

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCoAoLOrxSM&list=HL1350393987&feature=mh_lolz

  I couldn't agree more with Cedars ,I made this video in like mind few days ago
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  How many non-believers on the inside

  by biblecheck in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it's taken me about 7 years after leaving the watchtower, to become actively involved within the exjw communities.

  as part of this i created a couple of videos to, hopefully, help some others.

  but what amazed me was the number of people who have pm'd me via youtube who are still active members of the watchtower - who know it's not the truth - but haven't left.

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  Also the average Jehovah's Witness is a different animal all together from the one that was 20-30 years ago .These people 99% of them will not questioned or stand up for anything ,nevertheless they are a digrace to Christian values and a shame to Jehovah .Unless something dramatic happens to their life they will not wake up
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  How many non-believers on the inside

  by biblecheck in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it's taken me about 7 years after leaving the watchtower, to become actively involved within the exjw communities.

  as part of this i created a couple of videos to, hopefully, help some others.

  but what amazed me was the number of people who have pm'd me via youtube who are still active members of the watchtower - who know it's not the truth - but haven't left.

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  The problem is not how many are on the inside ,but how can we constructively bring them down .I have not heard or seen one genuine idea as to how to go about
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses an American Sect?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this faq was recently added to jw.org.... .

  are you an american sect?our world headquarters is located in the united states of america.

  however, we are not an american sect for the following reasons:.

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  raymond frantz

  They are a totalitarian regime that resembles more and more George Orwell's "1984" .The rank and file tag along out of fear or heavy indoctrination .The current generation of Witnesses have little in common with previous generations that used to use the Bible more and debate doctrine more.I have not seen a single article this year that disgusses doctrine it is all loaded cult language .We are witnessing the end of a religion in the hands of 8 idiots ,how sad
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  Jesus moneylenders and the GB today

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in jesus' days the pharishees were the religious leaders ,anyone questioning their authority ended up in the shehindrin and if you really pushed the boat with them maybe crucified .they were a top down organization a bit like our dear gb .jesus used force to throw out the money lenders out of the temple ,which you can violence ?

  what does that teach us about dealingwith an organization that vehemently denies to listen to their members cry for change ?

  your ideas please .

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  raymond frantz

  In Jesus' days the Pharishees were the religious leaders ,anyone questioning their authority ended up in the Shehindrin and if you really pushed the boat with them maybe crucified .They were a top down organization a bit like our dear GB .Jesus used force to throw out the money lenders out of the temple ,which you can violence ? What does that teach us about dealingwith an organization that vehemently denies to listen to their members cry for change ? Your ideas please
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  Governing Body : Dark Light

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i live in britain and run a website www.new-jw.org .i started uploading videos on youtube ,this is my latest dedicated to eric reener .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcoaolorxsm.

  please let me know what you think .

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  raymond frantz

  sorry Eric Reeder ,the video had the right name
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  Governing Body : Dark Light

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i live in britain and run a website www.new-jw.org .i started uploading videos on youtube ,this is my latest dedicated to eric reener .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcoaolorxsm.

  please let me know what you think .

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  raymond frantz

  I live in Britain and run a website www.new-jw.org .I started uploading videos on youtube ,this is my latest dedicated to Eric Reener

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCoAoLOrxSM

  Please let me know what you think
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  I'm not being funny ,all anointed I met they were nut cases ,nothing interesting a bit like me .Now that I know that I'm going to heaven too ,I don't see the point of organising a website that invites only a few and presents their anointing as a wonderful mysterious experience that they can share with us .I've had enough of special classes .Also ,why the diplomatic answers about the GB ,how about being bold and use old scholl methods like Jesus and the apostles to judge the Satanic 8 currently occupying the WT Headquarters
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  I think there is a lot of resentment DATA-DOG more than you think to fuel a coup .The Bible says that the judgement will start from the House of God ,whether we have anything to do with that or not ,I 'd rather belong to a small congragation of 30 free Jehovah's Witnesses (the result of a cup) rather than I congragation of 100 lobotimised drones
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  Hi DT ,can you explain these points ?

  "The Governing Body could face some serious legal challenges if they ever tried to punish those who never joined their coup. A religion doesn't have the right to punish nonmembers. The Mormons have gotten into trouble for this very thing, so there is a precedent.

  There is one very useful thing that this rival group could accomplish. They could process letters of disassociation. I would recommend that they keep the identities of those who disassociate private, but they could send them a letter saying that the request has been approved. This letter could be used to threaten legal action against any elders who represent the Governing Body and try to punish them in any way, including an announcement that is intended to get the congregation to shun them."